Zinsser AllCoat Exterior Satin (Water Based) is a long lasting all surface paint offering up to 15 years performance, and is available in 350+ RAL and BS colours. Milton Keynes • Member since 1 Nov 2016 • Zinsser 123 water based primer, Zinsser Cover Stain oil based primer, and Zinsser BIN shellac based primer. I would stick with the 123 or BM's Fresh Start, I never liked cover stain for anything except over residual wall paper paste, even then I would go with any other oil based primer,cover stain just plain stinks,as in smells bad, and as you said never applied easily.123 or fs will go over old oil or anything else and stick with minimal sanding. The catch to those is that you have to wait an eternity before they are hard enough to do any sanding if you need to as they will just gum up. Zinsser also manufacture a spray paint to cover stains, Zinsser Primer Stain Killer Aerosol, perfect for situations where you have a small patch or patches of water stains. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. However, doing so will not have the same effect as applying stain and then later painting over the deck wood. Ideal for interior and exterior applications. The good news is that you can apply several different types of finishes over top of the acrylic paint to make it more durable and add a sheen. ... Zinsser Cover Stain® makes light work of unwanted graffiti - it primes and seals the affected substrate in … Paint cracks that have loosened the paint around it. Can i paint over zinsser cover stain primer-sealer with water-based emulsion? Recently painted my bedroom. over clean, well prepped, non-problem surfaces. Get ultimate hiding power indoors and out with Zinsser® Cover Stain® Oil-Base Primer. I found Zinsser Cover Stain Primer, which is alleged to adhere to all finishes. Recoat in only two hours. Product description:Paint. It's primarily for blocking certain types of stains that a water based can't block. I have used Bullseye many times over varnish without detriment, in old brochures it used to say it was suitable to use over varnish but the later brochures say not, perhaps the base products have changed to comply with VOC … It is a commonly held belief that oil-based paints don’t mix well with other types of paints; however, at the same time, it is also said that it is perfectly okay to use latex paint over an oil-based primer. If you’ve ever looked through the Zinsser range you’ll see that they have a lot of different Zinssser primers to choose from. But they never actually use the word “undercoat”; they only describe themselves as primers. To find out how easy it can be watch our video below our follow these step by step instructions! Tonypandy • Member since 24 Jul 2017 • Outstanding low VOC and low odor formula is designed to resist blistering, peeling and mold and mildew growth. Had living room and dining room decorated after being plastered.... Hi there, Its zinsser. Now I am working on the entry way. This is because deck stain (which is typically made to tolerate all-seasons outdoor conditions) is designed to absorb into the wood upon which it is applied. Use just a little bit. It doesn't cover in difficult bleed through places as well as the Kilz did, and I hoped the Zinsser would. Bulls-Eye® 1-2-3 is ideal for priming fibreglass. I stained my kitchen cabinets several years ago and used Minwax water based polyurethane as the finish coat. May be used under any solvent- 0000004936 00000 n 0000002520 00000 n Ideal for interior / exterior use. Apply dulux stain block , available in spay can . Zinsser Cover Stain is an interior / exterior primer, sealer, stain sealer and bond coat that dries for recoat in only two hours. No feedback. May be used under any solvent-based or water-based topcoat. Brian discusses the Zinsser Cover Stain, an oil based stain from Rust-Oleum that can be applied on almost any surface. Terms and conditions The idea is good, but, make sure you don't have a water leak and the plaster is dry before you apply the Zinser, and when the Zinser is dry do a touch-up before the final coat, and everything would be fine Yes. Privacy notice Zinsser Cover Stain Water-Base Primer. :yes: I am at a loss here. I flows like the old oils and gets you most of the same benefits of the traditional oils. Registered in England No. Sitemap I am planning on using Zinsser oil based Cover Stain Primer to completely coat it. We had my daughter’s room freshly plastered recently. Up to 9.8m2 coverage per litre on most surfaces. No feedback. Latex will sit and Zinsser will work its way in more. I'm hearing a lot from a couple paint companies we deal with about the introduction of an extremely fine alkyd resin suspended in a water based system. First, let’s clarify which products we’re comparing. I will let you … Can You Paint over Stain Using Acrylic Paint? Yes but the zinsser cover stain is an oil based version that requires time to dry. From the Manufacturer. Cover Stain® Oil-Based Primer is not intended for application to floors, decks, roof surfaces or any surface subject to immersion or prolonged contact with water. Any oil or latex paint can be applied over it. Zinsser's Wallpaper-Cover Up provides the smart way to paint over wallpaper. It's great for interior and exterior surfaces. DO NOT THIN. A forum community dedicated to Do it yourself-ers and home improvement enthusiasts. The house is 1960’s and we stripped wallpaper as we wanted to just paint walls. A Quick Guide to Zinsser Primers. The stuff just won't lay down worth a darn. But they never actually use the word “undercoat”; they only describe themselves as primers. It can stick to most interior and exterior surfaces and can be easily sanded. I was able to take down the outer layer of paper, but the glue backing is left. We had my daughter’s room freshly plastered recently. After the painting primers dried, we painted all the pieces using latex paint. Cover Stain® An all-purpose solvent-based, stain-killing, primer-sealer. I wrongly used Layland water based satin for wood and metal to cover some water stain on my ceiling, which is painted with... © 2008-2020 MyBuilder Limited MIXING Mix thoroughly to ensure any settled pigment is re-dispersed. Why is it about Zinsser Cover Stain oil base primer that sucks so much? Since the adhesive on the back of the wallpaper is water-based, you should use an oil-based primer like Zinsser Cover Stain or Kilz Original to seal the wall before you begin with your water-based paint. Paint over water stained interior walls and ceilings with B-I-N®. sanded quickly with 200 grit sand paper, no primer. Yes, you can. JavaScript is disabled. Kilz also offers an Origi… Cookies 9 times out of 10 I will thin oil based primer. No need for a brush, just spray the water stain, wait until dry and apply a second coat. Ahead, you’ll find pointers for using whatever paint products you like over oil-based paint. I will let you know how it goes! Any fast drying product should not be used for brush applications on bare wood, as the product has no time to level. I think you should try a different brand. Zinsser Cover-Stain is great for new construction and remodeling work. Zinsser bulls Eye 1-2-3 1 gal. One stellar offering from Zinsser is their Bulls Eye 1-2-3 Interior/Exterior Water-Based Primer. It prevents the growth of mold, mildew and other fungal organisms on the paint film and is for use on non-porous interior and exterior surfaces. All of them have their own uses, and knowing the best one to use in your situation will mean that you not only get the best results, but you also get results that will last longer. In all honesty, oil is getting to the point that it all sucks. From Kilz, you have the Kilz Premium High-Hide Stain-Blocking Interior/Exterior Primer, which is also water-based. sanded as #2, one coat of Zinsser 123 water based primer. This is what I want to use as a primer over the water based polyurethane. Can I paint emulsion matt over water based satinwood. I try and avoid brushes as much as possible. Most of the time, an oil-based paint is preferred, but you can also use a water-based paint or even spray paint. ... Interest-Based Ads I have used it plenty and most times it is with a brush with great results. There’s a reason Rust-Oleum® Zinsser® Bulls Eye 1-2-3® Water-Base Primer is our most popular primer. Then texturing, and then using an oil based paint. Zinsser Cover Stain 1 Gal. Developed in 1985, Cover-Stain is the only interior/exterior primer, sealer, stain sealer and bond coat that dries for recoat in only one hour. It has worn off over the years and I want to paint the cabinets now. I’ve already primed a new wooden door with Cover Stain. Can be confusing this question, is it Oil base or waterbase varnish you are wanting to cover, also is it a clear or coloured finish. Can you paint over Zinsser? feedback, Zinsser. Great for use on all interior surfaces & spot priming on exterior surfaces. Model # 256184 Store SKU # 1000123364. They all held up MUCH better than the first two in the scratch tests. I still have a ton of baseboard and a dozen doors that need to be primed overtop of older paint...and I think they are going to have to get Cover Stain. Zinsser Cover-Stain is great for new construction and remodeling work. I found Zinsser Cover Stain Primer, which is alleged to adhere to all finishes. Oh well, seems there's no easy solution (except for going with the Zinsser 123, but I'd like to stick with oil). This premium, whole-house primer-sealer provides outstanding performance indoors and out, with low odor, great flow and leveling and a flexible, acrylic formula. Is this a good idea? Recoat in only two hours. 100% positive No need for a brush, just spray the water stain, wait until dry and apply a second coat. Thanks! I think if you try a little thinner in the Cover Stain primer you will see a world of difference in how it spreads and lays down. They are all so high solids and low solvent that they drag and don't level at all like they use to. It's a niche product that you use in specific situations. Just make sure you let it fully cure for a couple of days before painting over it. Recoat in only two hours. This is what I want to use as a primer over the water based polyurethane. I would stick with the 123 or BM's Fresh Start, I never liked cover stain for anything except over residual wall paper paste, even then I would go with any other oil based primer,cover stain just plain stinks,as in smells bad, and as you said never applied easily.123 or fs will go over old oil or anything else and stick with minimal sanding. I've tried mineral spirits, Penetrol, and Naptha. Does anyone have an oi/alkyd base primer they can recommend that will do the job AND also level out? Zinsser Mold Killing Primer is a water-based EPA Zinsser Mold Killing Primer is a water-based EPA registered fungicidal protective coating that can be used to paint over and kill all existing mold, mildew, moss, fungi, odor causing bacteria and any other fungal organisms. Just ditch the cover stain and get a gallon of this, you have gone through enough head aches already. Can be used under any oil- or water-based topcoat. I stained my kitchen cabinets several years ago and used Minwax water based polyurethane as the finish coat. Ideal for interior and exterior applications. I am having the same issues with Zinsser Cover Stain. Zinsser’s primers (BIN, 123 and Cover Stain) all say in their technical docs that they can be painted over with any water-based or solvent-based topcoat. MIXING Mix thoroughly to ensure any settled pigment is re-dispersed. There’s a reason Rust-Oleum® Zinsser® Bulls Eye 1-2-3® Water-Base Primer is our most popular primer. Also if you are doing two coats over it make sure you also leave a good amount of drying time between. And will the water-based colour emulsion we have go on ok over the top? Now will the Zinsser after latex not cover up the smell as much. Maybe I can spray the doors. We decided to use the same brand for clear comparisons. I even had a couple door frames done side-by-side with Coverstain vs. 123 and you could tell the 123 didn't penetrate as well. The slower drying ones will tend to level better. It cleans up mostly with water, is low VOC, and dries to recoat in about 15 minutes. Cover Stain® Oil-Based Primer is not intended for application to floors, decks, roof surfaces or any surface subject to immersion or prolonged contact with water. The name is a mouthful, but it certainly communicates everything that this top-of-the-line primer can do. You can use one coat to seal the wood. Up to 9.8m2 coverage per litre on most surfaces. Up to 9.8m2 coverage per litre on most surfaces. And the better more reccomended product is zinsser b.i.n flashes in 45 mins, best for stain hold out and in your case can be purchased in aerosol form, Plymouth • Member since 20 Jul 2017 • BIN is not a monster you want to tackle. I plan on painting the drywall with latex and the shelves with SW Pro Classic. A latex primer as well as paint is best for covering a water-based stain. Fortunately, with the proper approach, you can successfully use water-based paint over oil-based paint. It's for extremely aggressive stains, like smoke damage. The only reason I recommend oil is that I have seen latex primers fail, and fail miserably on bare wood. B-I-N®, developed in 1946, is the original shellac-based white-pigmented primer-sealer stain-killer. A regular oil undercoater would work much better. Comparison of water based vs shellac vs oil based paint primer. Paints & Supplies \ Zinsser Cover Stain Water-Base Primer Product Details Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Share on Pinterest Share on Houzz Share this with your friends Share with email Print page. This primer sealer spray features a high-hiding formula to help block and seal water and smoke stains. Cover-Stain is also available as an aerosol for spot work and priming small objects. Cover Stain is a fast drying alkyd that is best applied by sprayer. NEW. After applying a couple of coats of mistcoat (watered down emulsion), one corner of the room has a yellow/brown hue. I hit the Cover Stain again (I have a gallon to play with). It actually blocked tannin bleed, at least for the first couple months it's been on. I would stick with the 123 or BM's Fresh Start, I never liked cover stain for anything except over residual wall paper paste, even then I would go with any other oil based primer,cover stain just plain stinks,as in smells bad, and as you said never applied easily.123 or fs will go over old oil or anything else and stick with minimal sanding. Put a little thinner in the paint. Use oil-based primer between the original surface and an oil-based top coat, or if you prefer to switch to a water-based paint for the top coat, be sure to use … Ideal for interior and exterior applications. Good luck! Oil Based White Interior/Exterior Primer and Sealer sticks to any surface without sanding and can be used under and over oil and latex topcoats. UK VAT Registered: 850 4121 63. sanded as #2, one coat of Zinsser Cover Stain oil based primer. It sticks to everything and you can paint over it with latex paint. For raw wood, it isn't the best product. I have only sprayed it on. Zinsser also manufacture a spray paint to cover stains, Zinsser Primer Stain Killer Aerosol, perfect for situations where you have a small patch or patches of water stains. The condition of the walls is good (as a number... Can anyone shed some light on this as I am worrying slightly.. However, you need to sand the wood down first using a 150-grit piece of sandpaper. jobs, Interestingly, though, on the other hand, you can’t use oil-based paints over latex paint.. Zinsser Cover Stain is an interior / exterior primer, sealer, stain sealer and bond coat that dries for recoat in only two hours. http://www.paintingwallpaperinghagerstown.com/, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. A waterbased primer will dry slower but will raise the grain. sanded as #2, one coat of Zinsser BIN shellac based primer. I planned on priming with Zinsser Cover Stain. We use a lot of cedar where I am and the tannins will bleed through the FS as will knots and any other contaminates on the wood. Question I have is I also have some fresh drywall and bare wood shelves that needs priming. BE123 seems to slow the drying process a little and you will find the paint dragging if you try and second coat to soon. It features an oil-based formula that seals stains from water, smoke, fire, nicotine and tannin bleed. (old Victorian house - not new walls) with Matt Emulsion. Most paints and pimers will gell up and get tacky after sitting still for too long. Zinsser's primers (BIN, 123 and Cover Stain) all say in their technical docs that they can be painted over with any water-based or solvent-based topcoat. I have tried the FS as a primer and it is O.K. Then texturing, and then using an oil based paint. Paint adheres well over water-based stain, so after completing the prep steps outlined above, apply a water-based latex primer with a brush or a roller… Do not box or intermix Cover Stain Oil-Based Primer with other oil-base or water-base products. May be used under any solvent-based or water-based topcoat. Yes you can paint over that - just make sure it is properly dry. It has worn off over the years and I want to paint the cabinets now. What a fiasco this will be. This premium, whole-house primer-sealer provides outstanding performance indoors and out, with low odor, great flow and leveling and a flexible, acrylic formula. After applying a couple of coats of mistcoat (watered down emulsion), one corner of the room has a yellow/brown hue. You can always ad more if needed. Come join the discussion about tools, projects, builds, styles, scales, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Do not box or intermix Cover Stain Oil-Based Primer with other oil-base or water-base products. When you visit the Store, be certain to have your Paint Associate tint … When you start doing a lot of repaints where you know they used latex primer on the previous paint job, you will see what people are talking about. Helping You to Do It Yourself! It sprays like a dream with little effort and covers great! I want to make sure this doesn’t come through when we apply the colour top-coat, so was thinking of covering just that corner in Zinsser cover stain primer sealer. I am not sure and not really sure anyone could say for sure but I would rather have it directly on the wood. I was able to take down the outer layer of paper, but the glue backing is left. It is formulated to seal, prime and block out stains on previously painted or new work. Is there an oil primer for this situation that levels better than Cover Stain? You can definitely Zinsser over latex - just did it last week. 28 Also make sure the store throws it on the shaker before you walk out. Coverstain has it's uses. Both Kilz and Zinsser offer a variety of options. This whole-house primer-sealer is a favourite with professionals. Click to see full answer Keeping this in view, can you paint emulsion over Zinsser BIN? DO NOT THIN. Latex Primer: Good for Drywall, that's about it. I really want to like this product, but can't. Professional painters use Cover-Stain for it wonderful application properties and versatility of use. Use it to block stains, hide dark colours, prevent tannin bleed and penetrate and seal exterior wood. I have a painter test a can of it. 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