*Slap on the forehead*. Help to build our spaceship. he's relentless on the subject we should all a note of the passion there x. Anyway my point is that I feel absolutedly horrible for helping destroy his faith, maybe he would not have killed himself if he could have held on to the belief that he would see them again or that his father whom was a preacher had not wasted his life. Religion is centered on a fear of life and adult responsibilities. I was just saying its scary when groups like this manage to get a lot of power and start pushing their agenda on the rest of us, like the Mormon Church did with Proposition 9. The whole "museum" is a well done "attraction" that speaks out against mental illness and claims that psychiatry is murder & that mental illness is not real, etc. In reality, religion is the biggest lie that so many ignorant people fall victim to. I imagine someone, centuries from now, sitting there in shock just as you are now, pondering the same thing about all man made religions. I don't understand how some religious and faith-based organizations can feel justified in making a profit on this need. Now, we have this paradigm shift where the religious right has become such a wealthy and obnoxious force to be reckoned with that the opposite kind of attention to the principle is needed. The "church" wants respect but does nothing to GIVE it. and if we are to be as humble as we should be, than we have to realize that our guess are probably wrong. I just want to balance the picture by saying that Scientology is simply a straight look at life. I really don't know what can be done to this cult, or pretty much other cults here in the United States, but its pretty sad that our tax money funds this sort of lunacy. Nonetheless, all the negatives are inevitable effects of external self-identifiers employed for the purpose of embellishing one's sense of identity. This was Reality! 2. I think by now most people that frequent this site know that I am atheist and what my stance is on religion period. As well as friends there are enemies, and Scientology’s foes are sometimes vast, like the US Internal Revenue Service. There are those who forward only that kind of stuff to intentionally make it look bad. xenu,jesus,buddha ... whoever it doesn't matter both represent the same ideals and will all ultimately halt mental progress. The crazy part was "Yes we still believe in Scientology even after what happened to us" I wanted to understand how these benevolent and beautiful concepts could lead to the crusades or the inquisition. I did allow myself to think that I didn't understand what he was talking about. "I sat there for a long time after I read this startling revelation. The ringleaders, if not extorting peoples' money or indulging in some warped supernatural fantasy, are usually to be found having sex with male prostitutes or busy raping small children in the back of a church. Creatio-whaa? And I will say as many times as i have to that it just isn't that simple. I don't mean to offend you with that statement but it is my belief that man created them. Going Clear makes you empathise with Scientology’s rank and file, who come off as victims of Church leaders’ eager advertising. Still, isn't there a law permitting the use of spy equipment or using evidence for extortion? A borderline illegal mob? My church doesn't, and its not a practice that is tolerated in our denomination as a whole. However, during the course of his investigation he soon finds that he has become a target of the Church. Religion is a herding mechanism & I am NOT cattle nor a sheep. How do they not make the connection between C list Sci Fi author and religion full of Aliens?? I guess I misunderstood your statement, my bad. It has been a long time since I heard this type of deep thought and willingness to examine objections from others without getting angry when dealing with religion. There are many people like me, so figure out who you want to argue your random talking points with, and do so, but please extend the courtesy I will gladly extend to you of allowing me to speak of what I believe, instead of you assuming you understand the complexities of Christian theology enough to tell me what I believe and why it is silly. They poured money into anti-gay rights, and got Proposition 9 passed, they've also turned the boy-scouts into a religious group that echoes the churches most basic tenets, that is scary! It is so easy to assume that a person of a certain denomination totally believes the dogma of that denomination. @Coyote; Sure what they do as regards to family is terrible and yes they are some shady people. Not that we didn't, I just stay so busy with school and all I forget. I don't think the journalist overreacted at all when he dealt with that guy. You asked, "Why do such conversations so quickly devolve from that?". Go ahead folks. @jtea45; I reject your notion that it is pointless to dispute one over these matters (religion. In it, reporter John Sweeney visited the United States to investigate whether the Church of Scientology was becoming more mainstream. They were trying to sell me books. Aha! I work for a conference (essentially like a diocese) which is part of the Mennonite denomination. Oh, and I would add that while there are plenty of bad examples of Christian churches who excel at profiteering at their members expense, this is by no means the standard or the norm. Jefferson, who was irreligious, sided with the Baptists on principle that they should be free to do what they wanted and sought to protect their practice from state interference. Wait yes I have he was drunk and high and spent about 3 hours babbling senselessly about how I was trapped by my own reactionary mind. Oh wait, Quakers are the opposite? This film is backed by Scientology. I think several aspects of religion are beautiful; faith, idealism (lets face it if we only take into consideration what it is and not what could be, we would have nothing to shoot for- no moral or ethical goals to achieve), self sacrifice, loving the less fortunate, turning the other cheek- all very beautiful concepts. No problem man, i am sorry i jumped at you. God forbid you are poor and in need of spiritual help! Can you ? With Louis Theroux, Tom Cruise, Marty Rathbun, Paz de la Huerta. you're missing the point if you think that scientology is bad because it's a cult or religion. Scientology is a particularly entertaining case study because members of all the other religions will point out how different and insane Scientologists are, and conveniently overlook the nonsensical things and dubious motivations and actions of their own cosmic feel-good racket. I am not even going to comment on their methods. The problem is how it, judging by the information displayed in the documentary, is used by some people, to manipulate, enslave, or even destroy other people. ", i think it's strange for a journalist to ask questions during filmed interviews, posses footage of their answers but, rather cut their confessions and answer for them. Louis Theroux documents his investigation into what goes on behind the scenes of the infamous Church of Scientology. Now that was fine! If they didn't have anything to hide and they were a legit organization they wouldn't need to send those dummies out to stalk critics. and put him in an electronic Good job man, I sincerly hope your journey leads you to the truth you desire as well as long days and pleasant nights. This essay by Bob Minton describes the Scientology world-view that emerges from OT III. I don't mean to embarrass you but you have really impressed me, as well as made me realize that alot of my criticism of people of faith needs to be examined and at the least rephrased. On the surface, Miscavige appears totally innocuous, which of course only makes him appear more like the ultimate sinister white-collar villain. Directed by John Dower. Religion is the single most vile institution on the face of the Earth, run by perverted freaks bent on deceiving the mentally weak. @Creatio-whaa!? "Scientology and Me" is a television documentary conducted by reporter John Sweeney, which aired on the BBC program, Panorama on 14 May 2007. for one, my priest never sent people to spy on me cause i said that god doesn't seem like a very likable person... i m not a catholic anymore, and guess what, no one cares. The extraordinary thing about Alex Gibney’s new documentary, Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief, is that it does more than address these questions; it offers substantive answers. They did believe that it was inspired by God but they also held that once that inspiration hit the mind of man it was instantly corrupted. The first program really made me like Scientology, and thus had the opposite effect on me. In practical terms, religion has had no better track record for quantifiable improvements to the human standard of living than comparable secular organizations and they've had several thousand years' head start. The place (Confed.) Every other religion in the world should come under as much scrutiny as scientology as they are no better. It just seems like all religions started off as sects or cults. There is something that can be experienced, though perhaps never adequately defined, that I consider to be God. They probably swing elections and threaten people all the time. I don't think I'm being all high and mighty, what I'm saying is that you're argument is thin and not well reasoned if you insist on ignoring facts that make it a more complex issue than is convenient for you. Now colleges go ahead and teach evolution, thank goodness, but not high schools or elementary schools. You do the religious population a great favor by exhibiting such restraint and deep examination of dogma. The last time I was in Los Angeles I visited a "Museum of Death" on Sunset Strip which turned out to be run by the CoS - using, however, an alias akin to some kind of human rights organization (so they never *say* it's a Scientologist run "attraction".) The trick for me is that there is something tangible that lies between the observable and sheer fantasy, in my opinion. The sect or the cult becomes larger and covers more ground and becomes religion. Same story. I believe that Scientology does more good than bad, by far. Do some research about the violent and invasive nature of Scientologists...when they find out you want to leave the religion. had a friend lived in Clearwater, Fl. All religion is trash. And what about Tom Cruise and John Travolta? Much praise to Vlatko for propagating free speech, liberty, and knowledge to all seekers of truth and justice. Reporter John Sweeney visited the United States to investigate whether the Church of Scientology was becoming more mainstream. If it does they will find out very quickly that it is a bad decision to try and intimidate a redneck or expose secrets passed on with assurance of confidentiality. Excellent watch highly recommended. I am an Anabaptist Mennonite in 2010, and that means something altogether different than what it meant to be one in 1610 or 1710 or 1810, etc. In presenting a case study like this one, Gibney proves a master of documentary narrative – he conjures fast-paced drama out of thorough reporting. "By thier fruits you will know them.." 1 Tim ? The twisted genius of L Ron Hubbard is that he figured out a way to define and exploit contemporary soul sickness. So, despite all the baggage that my particular persuasion of faith has, I am still experiencing God there. However, Fear them? And it is only through education that we can have any notion of the Truth, that is Truth beyond what any Theism can offer. That is a very small part of Scientology. 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